Legal Services Bill [HL]

Division 1: held on 17 October 2007

174 Contents
138 Not Contents
The amendment was agreed
Government defeat

Amendment summary

Lord Kingsland moved, as an amendment to the motion that this House do agree with the Commons in their Amendment 4, to leave out from “House” to end and insert “do disagree with the Commons in their Amendment 4 but do propose Amendment 4A in lieu— in clause 15, page 7, line 15, at end to insert: “(5A) Where P is an independent trade union, persons provided with relevant services do not constitute the public or a section of the public in the circumstances specified in subsection (5B). (5B) The circumstances are— (a) the persons are provided with the services by virtue of (i) their membership or former membership of P, or (ii) another person’s membership or former membership of P, (b) the services are provided to the persons in connection with any matter which arises out of the terms and conditions of their employment, their treatment by their employers, their workplace relationships or their workplace or other working conditions, and (c) any such employment, employer or workplace is one in respect of which P represents, or seeks to represent, workers as a trade union.””

There is a difference between the official result of this division based on the Teller's count and the number of Members recorded by the clerks. How does this happen?

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Tellers for the Contents

Addington, L.
Liberal Democrat
Excepted Hereditary
Anelay of St Johns, B.
Conservative
Life peer

Members voting Content

Conservative (100)

Anelay of St Johns, B.
Conservative
Life peer
Teller
Ashcroft, L.
Conservative
Life peer
Astor of Hever, L.
Conservative
Excepted Hereditary
Attlee, E.
Conservative
Excepted Hereditary
Blackwell, L.
Conservative
Life peer
Bowness, L.
Conservative
Life peer
Bridgeman, V.
Conservative
Excepted Hereditary
Brooke of Sutton Mandeville, L.
Conservative
Life peer
Byford, B.
Conservative
Life peer
Campbell of Alloway, L.
Conservative
Life peer
Carnegy of Lour, B.
Conservative
Life peer
Cathcart, E.
Conservative
Excepted Hereditary
Colwyn, L.
Conservative
Excepted Hereditary
Cope of Berkeley, L.
Conservative
Life peer
Crathorne, L.
Conservative
Excepted Hereditary
Crickhowell, L.
Conservative
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De Mauley, L.
Conservative
Excepted Hereditary
Dean of Harptree, L.
Conservative
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Denham, L.
Conservative
Excepted Hereditary
Dixon-Smith, L.
Conservative
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Eccles of Moulton, B.
Conservative
Life peer
Eccles, V.
Conservative
Excepted Hereditary
Eden of Winton, L.
Conservative
Life peer
Elles, B.
Conservative
Life peer
Elliott of Morpeth, L.
Conservative
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Feldman, L.
Conservative
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Ferrers, E.
Conservative
Excepted Hereditary
Fookes, B.
Conservative
Life peer
Freeman, L.
Conservative
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Geddes, L.
Conservative
Excepted Hereditary
Glentoran, L.
Conservative
Excepted Hereditary
Goodlad, L.
Conservative
Life peer
Griffiths of Fforestfach, L.
Conservative
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Hamilton of Epsom, L.
Conservative
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Hanham, B.
Conservative
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Hayhoe, L.
Conservative
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Henley, L.
Conservative
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Hodgson of Astley Abbotts, L.
Conservative
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Hooper, B.
Conservative
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Howard of Rising, L.
Conservative
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Howe, E.
Conservative
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Howell of Guildford, L.
Conservative
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Hunt of Wirral, L.
Conservative
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Inglewood, L.
Conservative
Excepted Hereditary
James of Blackheath, L.
Conservative
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Jenkin of Roding, L.
Conservative
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Jopling, L.
Conservative
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Kimball, L.
Conservative
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King of Bridgwater, L.
Conservative
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Kingsland, L.
Conservative
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Laing of Dunphail, L.
Conservative
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Lawson of Blaby, L.
Conservative
Life peer
Lindsay, E.
Conservative
Excepted Hereditary
Liverpool, E.
Conservative
Excepted Hereditary
Luke, L.
Conservative
Excepted Hereditary
Lyell of Markyate, L.
Conservative
Life peer
Lyell, L.
Conservative
Excepted Hereditary
MacGregor of Pulham Market, L.
Conservative
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Mackay of Clashfern, L.
Conservative
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Marlesford, L.
Conservative
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McAlpine of West Green, L.
Conservative
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McColl of Dulwich, L.
Conservative
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Miller of Hendon, B.
Conservative
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Morris of Bolton, B.
Conservative
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Naseby, L.
Conservative
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Newton of Braintree, L.
Conservative
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Northesk, E.
Conservative
Excepted Hereditary
Norton of Louth, L.
Conservative
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O'Cathain, B.
Conservative
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Onslow, E.
Conservative
Excepted Hereditary
Oppenheim-Barnes, B.
Conservative
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Park of Monmouth, B.
Conservative
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Perry of Southwark, B.
Conservative
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Pilkington of Oxenford, L.
Conservative
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Platt of Writtle, B.
Conservative
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Plumb, L.
Conservative
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Rawlings, B.
Conservative
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Reay, L.
Conservative
Excepted Hereditary
Rees, L.
Conservative
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Roberts of Conwy, L.
Conservative
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Rotherwick, L.
Conservative
Excepted Hereditary
Sanderson of Bowden, L.
Conservative
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Seccombe, B.
Conservative
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Selkirk of Douglas, L.
Conservative
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Sharples, B.
Conservative
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Shaw of Northstead, L.
Conservative
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Sheikh, L.
Conservative
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Shephard of Northwold, B.
Conservative
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Skelmersdale, L.
Conservative
Excepted Hereditary
Soulsby of Swaffham Prior, L.
Conservative
Life peer
Stewartby, L.
Conservative
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Taylor of Holbeach, L.
Conservative
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Trefgarne, L.
Conservative
Excepted Hereditary
Trimble, L.
Conservative
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Ullswater, V.
Conservative
Excepted Hereditary
Verma, B.
Conservative
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Waddington, L.
Conservative
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Wade of Chorlton, L.
Conservative
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Wakeham, L.
Conservative
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Wilcox, B.
Conservative
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Crossbench (27)

Ampthill, L.
Crossbench
Excepted Hereditary
Best, L.
Crossbench
Life peer
Bilimoria, L.
Crossbench
Life peer
Bledisloe, V.
Crossbench
Excepted Hereditary
Bridges, L.
Crossbench
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Brookeborough, V.
Crossbench
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Browne of Belmont, L.
Crossbench
Life peer
D'Souza, B.
Crossbench
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Erroll, E.
Crossbench
Excepted Hereditary
Greengross, B.
Crossbench
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Hannay of Chiswick, L.
Crossbench
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Howarth of Breckland, B.
Crossbench
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Laird, L.
Crossbench
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Mar, C.
Crossbench
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Masham of Ilton, B.
Crossbench
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Murphy, B.
Crossbench
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Neill of Bladen, L.
Crossbench
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Palmer, L.
Crossbench
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Patel of Bradford, L.
Crossbench
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Rogan, L.
Crossbench
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Saltoun of Abernethy, Ly.
Crossbench
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Sandwich, E.
Crossbench
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Thomas of Swynnerton, L.
Crossbench
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Walpole, L.
Crossbench
Excepted Hereditary
Walton of Detchant, L.
Crossbench
Life peer
Warnock, B.
Crossbench
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Williamson of Horton, L.
Crossbench
Life peer

Liberal Democrat (47)

Addington, L.
Liberal Democrat
Excepted Hereditary
Teller
Barker, B.
Liberal Democrat
Life peer
Bonham-Carter of Yarnbury, B.
Liberal Democrat
Life peer
Bradshaw, L.
Liberal Democrat
Life peer
Burnett, L.
Liberal Democrat
Life peer
Chidgey, L.
Liberal Democrat
Life peer
Clement-Jones, L.
Liberal Democrat
Life peer
Cotter, L.
Liberal Democrat
Life peer
Dholakia, L.
Liberal Democrat
Life peer
Dykes, L.
Liberal Democrat
Life peer
Falkner of Margravine, B.
Liberal Democrat
Life peer
Goodhart, L.
Liberal Democrat
Life peer
Greaves, L.
Liberal Democrat
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Hamwee, B.
Liberal Democrat
Life peer
Harris of Richmond, B.
Liberal Democrat
Life peer
Hooson, L.
Liberal Democrat
Life peer
Jones of Cheltenham, L.
Liberal Democrat
Life peer
Kirkwood of Kirkhope, L.
Liberal Democrat
Life peer
Lee of Trafford, L.
Liberal Democrat
Life peer
Linklater of Butterstone, B.
Liberal Democrat
Life peer
Livsey of Talgarth, L.
Liberal Democrat
Life peer
Mackie of Benshie, L.
Liberal Democrat
Life peer
Maclennan of Rogart, L.
Liberal Democrat
Life peer
Mar and Kellie, E.
Liberal Democrat
Life peer
McNally, L.
Liberal Democrat
Life peer
Methuen, L.
Liberal Democrat
Excepted Hereditary
Neuberger, B.
Liberal Democrat
Life peer
Newby, L.
Liberal Democrat
Life peer
Northover, B.
Liberal Democrat
Life peer
Razzall, L.
Liberal Democrat
Life peer
Redesdale, L.
Liberal Democrat
Life peer
Roberts of Llandudno, L.
Liberal Democrat
Life peer
Roper, L.
Liberal Democrat
Life peer
Sharp of Guildford, B.
Liberal Democrat
Life peer
Shutt of Greetland, L.
Liberal Democrat
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Smith of Clifton, L.
Liberal Democrat
Life peer
Steel of Aikwood, L.
Liberal Democrat
Life peer
Taverne, L.
Liberal Democrat
Life peer
Teverson, L.
Liberal Democrat
Life peer
Thomas of Gresford, L.
Liberal Democrat
Life peer
Thomas of Walliswood, B.
Liberal Democrat
Life peer
Thomas of Winchester, B.
Liberal Democrat
Life peer
Tope, L.
Liberal Democrat
Life peer
Tordoff, L.
Liberal Democrat
Life peer
Tyler, L.
Liberal Democrat
Life peer
Wallace of Saltaire, L.
Liberal Democrat
Life peer
Walmsley, B.
Liberal Democrat
Life peer

Tellers for the Not Contents

Davies of Oldham, L.
Labour
Life peer
Grocott, L.
Labour
Life peer

Members voting Not Content

Crossbench (3)

Ouseley, L.
Crossbench
Life peer
Stern, B.
Crossbench
Life peer
Stevens of Kirkwhelpington, L.
Crossbench
Life peer

Labour (133)

Acton, L.
Labour
Hereds given LPs
Adams of Craigielea, B.
Labour
Life peer
Adonis, L.
Labour
Life peer
Ahmed, L.
Labour
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Alli, L.
Labour
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Amos, B.
Labour
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Anderson of Swansea, L.
Labour
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Andrews, B.
Labour
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Archer of Sandwell, L.
Labour
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Ashton of Upholland, B.
Labour
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Bach, L.
Labour
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Barnett, L.
Labour
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Bassam of Brighton, L.
Labour
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Bernstein of Craigweil, L.
Labour
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Billingham, B.
Labour
Life peer
Bilston, L.
Labour
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Borrie, L.
Labour
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Boyd of Duncansby, L.
Labour
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Bradley, L.
Labour
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Brennan, L.
Labour
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Brooke of Alverthorpe, L.
Labour
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Brookman, L.
Labour
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Burlison, L.
Labour
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Campbell-Savours, L.
Labour
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Christopher, L.
Labour
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Clarke of Hampstead, L.
Labour
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Clinton-Davis, L.
Labour
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Cohen of Pimlico, B.
Labour
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Corbett of Castle Vale, L.
Labour
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Crawley, B.
Labour
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Darzi of Denham, L.
Labour
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David, B.
Labour
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Davidson of Glen Clova, L.
Labour
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Davies of Coity, L.
Labour
Life peer
Davies of Oldham, L.
Labour
Life peer
Teller
Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B.
Labour
Life peer
Desai, L.
Labour
Life peer
Dixon, L.
Labour
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Drayson, L.
Labour
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Dubs, L.
Labour
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Eatwell, L.
Labour
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Elder, L.
Labour
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Evans of Parkside, L.
Labour
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Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Labour
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Faulkner of Worcester, L.
Labour
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Filkin, L.
Labour
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Foulkes of Cumnock, L.
Labour
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Gale, B.
Labour
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Gibson of Market Rasen, B.
Labour
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Gould of Potternewton, B.
Labour
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Graham of Edmonton, L.
Labour
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Grocott, L.
Labour
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Teller
Harris of Haringey, L.
Labour
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Hart of Chilton, L.
Labour
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Haskel, L.
Labour
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Haworth, L.
Labour
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Henig, B.
Labour
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Hilton of Eggardon, B.
Labour
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Hollis of Heigham, B.
Labour
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Howarth of Newport, L.
Labour
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Howells of St Davids, B.
Labour
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Howie of Troon, L.
Labour
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Hoyle, L.
Labour
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Hughes of Woodside, L.
Labour
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Hunt of Chesterton, L.
Labour
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Hunt of Kings Heath, L.
Labour
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Irvine of Lairg, L.
Labour
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Janner of Braunstone, L.
Labour
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Jones of Whitchurch, B.
Labour
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Jones, L.
Labour
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King of West Bromwich, L.
Labour
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Kirkhill, L.
Labour
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Lea of Crondall, L.
Labour
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Leitch, L.
Labour
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Lipsey, L.
Labour
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Lofthouse of Pontefract, L.
Labour
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Macaulay of Bragar, L.
Labour
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Macdonald of Tradeston, L.
Labour
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Mallalieu, B.
Labour
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Massey of Darwen, B.
Labour
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Maxton, L.
Labour
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McDonagh, B.
Labour
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McIntosh of Haringey, L.
Labour
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McIntosh of Hudnall, B.
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McKenzie of Luton, L.
Labour
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Moonie, L.
Labour
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Morgan of Drefelin, B.
Labour
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Morgan of Huyton, B.
Labour
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Morris of Manchester, L.
Labour
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O'Neill of Clackmannan, L.
Labour
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Patel of Blackburn, L.
Labour
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Pendry, L.
Labour
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Pitkeathley, B.
Labour
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Plant of Highfield, L.
Labour
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Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L.
Labour
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Quin, B.
Labour
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Radice, L.
Labour
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Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Labour
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Rendell of Babergh, B.
Labour
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Richard, L.
Labour
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Robertson of Port Ellen, L.
Labour
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Rooker, L.
Labour
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Rosser, L.
Labour
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Rowlands, L.
Labour
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Royall of Blaisdon, B.
Labour
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Sawyer, L.
Labour
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Scotland of Asthal, B.
Labour
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Sewel, L.
Labour
Life peer
Sheldon, L.
Labour
Life peer
Simon, V.
Labour
Excepted Hereditary
Smith of Gilmorehill, B.
Labour
Life peer
Soley, L.
Labour
Life peer
Stone of Blackheath, L.
Labour
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Strabolgi, L.
Labour
Excepted Hereditary
Symons of Vernham Dean, B.
Labour
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Taylor of Blackburn, L.
Labour
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Taylor of Bolton, B.
Labour
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Thornton, B.
Labour
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Tomlinson, L.
Labour
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Triesman, L.
Labour
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Truscott, L.
Labour
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Tunnicliffe, L.
Labour
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Turner of Camden, B.
Labour
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Vadera, B.
Labour
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Warner, L.
Labour
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Warwick of Undercliffe, B.
Labour
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Wedderburn of Charlton, L.
Labour
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West of Spithead, L.
Labour
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Whitaker, B.
Labour
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Whitty, L.
Labour
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Wilkins, B.
Labour
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Williams of Elvel, L.
Labour
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Young of Norwood Green, L.
Labour
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Other (1)

Watson of Invergowrie, L.
Non-affiliated
Life peer