Higher Education Bill

Division 3: held on 8 June 2004

143 Contents
132 Not Contents
The motion was agreed
Government defeat

Motion summary

It was moved by the Lord Forsyth of Drumlean, in Clause 23, page 9, line 24, at end to insert: “( ) A condition under this section must require the governing body of the relevant institution to secure that, in respect of any qualifying course, the qualifying fees charged to a person do not exceed the basic amount if that person— (a) had on or before 1st August 2005 received an offer of a place on a designated course or on a similar course which is no longer offered, in either case the first year of which begins before 1st September 2007, and whether conditional on obtaining specified qualifications or not; or (b) had received an offer of a place on a designated course the first year of which begins before 1st September 2006, and— (i) he was not able to take up the offer because a specified qualification or grade was not awarded to him, (ii) he appealed against the decision not to award the qualification or grade to him, (iii) the appeal was allowed after the last date when he could have taken up the offer, and (iv) as a result he was offered a place on the course for a year which begins on or after 1st September 2006 and before 1st September 2007. ( ) For the purposes of this section, a course is similar to a designated course, whether or not it is at the same institution, if— (a) it leads to a degree or other qualification which is the same as the degree or other qualification which the designated course leads to, and (b) the governing body of the institution at which the designated course would be studied is satisfied that the subject matter of the designated course is for the most part the same as the subject matter of the other course.”; which being objected to, the question was put thereupon, and

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Seccombe, B.
Conservative
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Shutt of Greetland, L.
Liberal Democrat
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Conservative (93)

Anelay of St Johns, B.
Conservative
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Arran, E.
Conservative
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Astor of Hever, L.
Conservative
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Attlee, E.
Conservative
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Blackwell, L.
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Blatch, B.
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Bowness, L.
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Bridgeman, V.
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Brougham and Vaux, L.
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Buscombe, B.
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Campbell of Alloway, L.
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Carlisle of Bucklow, L.
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Carnegy of Lour, B.
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Chadlington, L.
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Colwyn, L.
Conservative
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Cope of Berkeley, L.
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Crathorne, L.
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Crickhowell, L.
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Dean of Harptree, L.
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Denham, L.
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Dundee, E.
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Eden of Winton, L.
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Elles, B.
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Elliott of Morpeth, L.
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Feldman, L.
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Flather, B.
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Forsyth of Drumlean, L.
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Fowler, L.
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Geddes, L.
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Goschen, V.
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Hanningfield, L.
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Henley, L.
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Hodgson of Astley Abbotts, L.
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Hooper, B.
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Howe, E.
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Hunt of Wirral, L.
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Jenkin of Roding, L.
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McColl of Dulwich, L.
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Miller of Hendon, B.
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Monro of Langholm, L.
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Murton of Lindisfarne, L.
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Noakes, B.
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Northbrook, L.
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Northesk, E.
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Peel, E.
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Perry of Southwark, B.
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Peyton of Yeovil, L.
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Plummer of St. Marylebone, L.
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Rawlings, B.
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Reay, L.
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Renton of Mount Harry, L.
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Renton, L.
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Roberts of Conwy, L.
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Rotherwick, L.
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Seccombe, B.
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Selborne, E.
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Selsdon, L.
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Sharples, B.
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Shaw of Northstead, L.
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Skelmersdale, L.
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Soulsby of Swaffham Prior, L.
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Stewartby, L.
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Swinfen, L.
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Trenchard, V.
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Trumpington, B.
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Tugendhat, L.
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Ullswater, V.
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Vinson, L.
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Waddington, L.
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Wakeham, L.
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Wilcox, B.
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Windlesham, L.
Conservative
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Wolfson, L.
Conservative
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Ampthill, L.
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Donaldson of Lymington, L.
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Freyberg, L.
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Laird, L.
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Masham of Ilton, B.
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Saltoun of Abernethy, Ly.
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Campbell-Savours, L.
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Haskins, L.
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Warwick of Undercliffe, B.
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Addington, L.
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Alderdice, L.
Liberal Democrat
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Avebury, L.
Liberal Democrat
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Barker, B.
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Bradshaw, L.
Liberal Democrat
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Dahrendorf, L.
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Dholakia, L.
Liberal Democrat
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Falkland, V.
Liberal Democrat
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Garden, L.
Liberal Democrat
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Goodhart, L.
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Hamwee, B.
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Harris of Richmond, B.
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Livsey of Talgarth, L.
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Mackie of Benshie, L.
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Maclennan of Rogart, L.
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Maddock, B.
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Mar and Kellie, E.
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McNally, L.
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Miller of Chilthorne Domer, B.
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Northover, B.
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Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay, L.
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Phillips of Sudbury, L.
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Razzall, L.
Liberal Democrat
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Redesdale, L.
Liberal Democrat
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Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L.
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Roper, L.
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Scott of Needham Market, B.
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Sharman, L.
Liberal Democrat
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Sharp of Guildford, B.
Liberal Democrat
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Shutt of Greetland, L.
Liberal Democrat
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Smith of Clifton, L.
Liberal Democrat
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Taverne, L.
Liberal Democrat
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Thomas of Gresford, L.
Liberal Democrat
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Thomas of Walliswood, B.
Liberal Democrat
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Tordoff, L.
Liberal Democrat
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Wallace of Saltaire, L.
Liberal Democrat
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Walmsley, B.
Liberal Democrat
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Watson of Richmond, L.
Liberal Democrat
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Williams of Crosby, B.
Liberal Democrat
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Other (1)

Beaumont of Whitley, L.
Green Party
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Davies of Oldham, L.
Labour
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Grocott, L.
Labour
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Members voting Not Content

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Boston of Faversham, L.
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Bridges, L.
Crossbench
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Brookeborough, V.
Crossbench
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Cameron of Lochbroom, L.
Crossbench
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Dearing, L.
Crossbench
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Erroll, E.
Crossbench
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Finlay of Llandaff, B.
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Howarth of Breckland, B.
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Howe of Idlicote, B.
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Listowel, E.
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Mar, C.
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Marsh, L.
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O'Neill of Bengarve, B.
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Palmer, L.
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Rogan, L.
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St John of Bletso, L.
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Sutherland of Houndwood, L.
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Walpole, L.
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Walton of Detchant, L.
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Warnock, B.
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Williamson of Horton, L.
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Wilson of Dinton, L.
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Ahmed, L.
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Alli, L.
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Amos, B.
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Andrews, B.
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Archer of Sandwell, L.
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Ashton of Upholland, B.
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Bach, L.
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Bassam of Brighton, L.
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Billingham, B.
Labour
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Bragg, L.
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Brooke of Alverthorpe, L.
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Brookman, L.
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Brooks of Tremorfa, L.
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Burlison, L.
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Carter, L.
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Chandos, V.
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Christopher, L.
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Clarke of Hampstead, L.
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Clinton-Davis, L.
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Cohen of Pimlico, B.
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Corbett of Castle Vale, L.
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Crawley, B.
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David, B.
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Davies of Coity, L.
Labour
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Davies of Oldham, L.
Labour
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Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B.
Labour
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Desai, L.
Labour
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Dixon, L.
Labour
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Donoughue, L.
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Dubs, L.
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Elder, L.
Labour
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Evans of Parkside, L.
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Evans of Temple Guiting, L.
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Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
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Filkin, L.
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Gale, B.
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Gavron, L.
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Gibson of Market Rasen, B.
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Gilbert, L.
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Golding, B.
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Goldsmith, L.
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Gordon of Strathblane, L.
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Gould of Potternewton, B.
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Graham of Edmonton, L.
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Gregson, L.
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Grocott, L.
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Harrison, L.
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Hayman, B.
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Hilton of Eggardon, B.
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Hogg of Cumbernauld, L.
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Hollis of Heigham, B.
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Howie of Troon, L.
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Hughes of Woodside, L.
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Irvine of Lairg, L.
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Janner of Braunstone, L.
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Jones, L.
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Lea of Crondall, L.
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Lipsey, L.
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Lockwood, B.
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Mason of Barnsley, L.
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McIntosh of Haringey, L.
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Merlyn-Rees, L.
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Mitchell, L.
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Morgan of Huyton, B.
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Morgan, L.
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Morris of Manchester, L.
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Nicol, B.
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Parekh, L.
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Patel of Blackburn, L.
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Paul, L.
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Plant of Highfield, L.
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Puttnam, L.
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Radice, L.
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Randall of St Budeaux, L.
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Rendell of Babergh, B.
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Richard, L.
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Rooker, L.
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Scotland of Asthal, B.
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Sheldon, L.
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Simon, V.
Labour
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Strabolgi, L.
Labour
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Taylor of Blackburn, L.
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Temple-Morris, L.
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Thornton, B.
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Tomlinson, L.
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Triesman, L.
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Turnberg, L.
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Turner of Camden, B.
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Uddin, B.
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Watson of Invergowrie, L.
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Whitty, L.
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Wilkins, B.
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Williams of Elvel, L.
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Winston, L.
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Woolmer of Leeds, L.
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Fitt, L.
Independent Socialist
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